BREAKING: CARSON DALY MAKES SARCASTIC COMMENT ABOUT HODA KOTB'S EXIT ON TODAY SHOW—AND THEN HE DID SOMETHING THAT LEFT EVERYONE SPEECHLESS!

Carson Daly had an apparent slip up on the Today Show this week while making the transition to a new story.

As the morning show transitioned from a piece by Savannah Guthrie to talking about Hoda Kotb‘s podcast Making Space, Carson seemed a bit confused.

Carson, 52, sat down to introduce the Pop Start news segment in the second hour of Today, joined by Craig Melvin, Dylan Dreyer and Laura Jarrett.

Daly then transitioned to introducing former Today host Hoda Kotb’s, 60, podcast, acting like he thought she was going to be on set.

‘Hoda’s not here, I don’t know where she is,’ he said as his co-stars laughed. ‘I think she’s on vacation still,’ he sarcastically added.

Laura was the first to tease Carson, saying Hoda was still ‘making space.’

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Carson Daly had an apparent slip up on the Today Show this week while making the transition to a new story

Carson sarcastically quipped, ‘She’s making space, she’s made a lot of space Laura.’

Hoda stepped down from her role at Today in January after 17 years on the show.

After Hoda announced she was leaving Today, Carson gave some long and hard thought to the future of his television career.

‘Wow, I cannot wait to get off television!’ the father-of-four revealed. ‘I still see Jay Leno on TV and I’m like, “why?” No, I am… I am looking to cut back.’

He continued, ‘I lost my dad when I was five, so my time with my kids is the most precious.

‘That’s what I think about Hoda, I’m happy for her, she’s gonna get more time. Walking your kids to school is way more important,’ Daly added.

Kotb’s decision to leave her role at Today was in order to spend more time with her daughters Haley, seven, and Hope, four.

When asked about the close-knit, family-type bond the hosts share at the Today show, Daly said: ‘There’s a saying that goes, “you can’t fake the funk”, and I think people ask me about The Voice on NBC, they ask me all the time – when we find our coaches – “how do you find the right coaching panel for chemistry?”

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As the morning show transitioned from a piece by Savannah Guthrie to talking about Hoda Kotb ‘s podcast Making Space, Carson seemed a bit confused

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Carson, 52, sat down to introduce the Pop Start news segment in the second hour of Today, joined by Craig Melvin, Dylan Dreyer and Laura Jarrett

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Daly then transitioned to introducing former Today host Hoda Kotb’s, 60, podcast, acting like he thought she was going to be on set

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‘Hoda’s not here, I don’t know where she is,’ he said as his co-stars laughed. ‘I think she’s on vacation still,’ he sarcastically added

‘Chemistry is an impossible thing to cast, and when you have it and when you get it, it’s really the most beautiful thing.

‘And what you see on the Today show is an undeniable family chemistry that is just organic.

‘God made it that way for this time and all of our lives to be working together and that’s the simple answer,’ he continued.

‘You can’t manufacture getting up at five in the morning and actually loving the person that you’re sitting next to. We all have a relationship outside of this show and I think it comes off on air, but you can’t fake that,’ Daly added.

The TV host has been fronting The Voice since 2011 and joined Today as a social media correspondent in 2013, with his role increasing in subsequent years as he became a co-host.

Daly shares his 16-year-old son Jackson and his three daughters Etta, 12, London, 10, and five-year-old Goldie with his wife of 10 years Siri Pinter.

Last year, Daly said during an interview with People that it felt ‘crazy’ to have a child who was starting to learn how to drive.

‘My teenager is 15. He’s starting to drive, so that’s been kind of crazy. I have a pickup truck, so he drives my truck. It’s going great. He’s a really good driver,’ he revealed.

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Laura was the first to tease Carson, saying Hoda was still ‘making space’

Daly also revealed to the publication how sleeping in a separate bed from his wife Siri has helped them ‘stay together.’

He had previously confirmed in 2022 that he and Siri had given ‘sleep divorcing’ a try, which basically means that spend multiple nights a week sleeping in different bedrooms.

The couple entered into the sleeping plan when they decided to do ‘whatever it takes’ to make their marriage last the test of time.

‘The object is to stay together. That’s what we’d like to do,’ he explained. ‘And so reverse engineering that, it’s like — by any means necessary, for the two of us, [we want to] still be in a relationship when we’re dying.

‘It’s been good for us. We don’t do it all the time, but a couple of days during the week – especially if I want to watch an Islanders hockey game kind of later at night – I go into the guest room, she retires upstairs to read her book or watch a show,’ he shared.

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0:00 My argument is that we should try our 0:02 very best to treat people without regard 0:04 to race both in our personal lives and 0:06 our public policy. Of course, and the 0:07 reason I wrote this book, Thank you. 0:13 The reason I wrote this book is because 0:14 in the past 10 years, it has been become 0:16 very popular to in the name of 0:18 anti-racism teach a kind of philosophy 0:21 to our children and in general that says 0:23 your race is everything, right? And I 0:25 think that is the wrong way to fight 0:27 racism. And that’s why I wrote this book 0:29 at this time. 0:30 And so many in the black community, 0:32 if I’m being honest with you, cuz I want 0:35 to be, believe that you are being used 0:37 as a pawn by the right and that you’re a 0:39 charlatan of sorts. 0:40 He’s not a Republican. How do you 0:43 You You’ve said that you’re a 0:44 conservative. You 0:46 No, you did. You actually said that uh 0:49 podcast that you did two weeks ago. 0:50 I said I was a conservative. 0:51 He’s not. Yes, you did. So, but my 0:54 question to you, my question to you is 0:56 how do you respond to those critics? 1:00 Let’s give it a little answer. 1:02 First thing I want to say that uh 1:04 socioeconomics 1:06 picks out people in a better way than 1:08 race. 1:09 When you do look at the socioeconomics, 1:11 you see the huge disparity between white 1:14 households and black households. You see 1:16 the huge disparity between white 1:18 households and Hispanic households. So 1:21 your argument and I’ve read your book 1:22 twice because I wanted to give it a 1:24 chance. Argument that race has no place 1:27 in that equation is really fundamentally 1:30 flawed in my 1:31 No. Well, 1:32 it started with one man walking straight 1:34 into the lion’s den, a calm voice 1:36 surrounded by chaos. He sat across from 1:38 the views panel, ready to challenge a 1:40 room that wasn’t known for letting 1:42 opposing voices breathe. His message 1:44 that race should not be the lens through 1:46 which we view every issue. Instead, we 1:48 should focus on class. Help the poor 1:50 regardless of their skin color and 1:52 racial equality will follow. Simple, 1:55 bold, but apparently too much for 1:57 daytime television. 1:58 Two separate questions. One is whether 2:01 each racial group is socioeconomically 2:04 the same. That I agree with you. They’re 2:05 not. 2:06 Yeah, they’re not. And the stats show 2:07 that. 2:08 But yeah, of course I agree with that 2:09 fully. The question is how do you how do 2:11 you address that in the way that 2:12 actually targets poverty the best, 2:13 right? And what Martin Luther King wrote 2:15 in his book, Why We Can’t Wait, is he 2:17 called it, “We need a bill of rights for 2:19 the disadvantaged.” And he said, “Yes, 2:21 we should address racial inequality. 2:23 Yes, we should address the legacy of 2:24 slavery.” But the way to do that is on 2:26 the basis of class. And that will 2:28 disproportionately target blacks and 2:30 Hispanics because they’re 2:31 disproportionately poor. But it will be 2:33 doing so in a way that also helps the 2:35 white poor, in a way that addresses 2:37 poverty as the thing to be. 2:39 He wasn’t shouting. He wasn’t attacking, 2:41 but his words were a grenade tossed into 2:43 the safe space of identity politics. He 2:46 argued that race-based thinking once 2:48 used to divide is now being dressed up 2:50 as social justice, and it’s being pushed 2:53 onto kids in schools, politicians in 2:55 office, and celebrities on air. He 2:58 called it out for what it is, a 3:00 dangerous reversal of progress. 3:02 A student of Dr. King. I’m not only a 3:03 student of Dr. King, I know his 3:05 daughter, Bernice. Right. 3:07 So, I I’m I’m going to get to my 3:08 question. 3:09 Go ahead. Go right ahead. um 3:11 this is fundamentally flawed. You you 3:13 claim that colorblindness was the goal 3:15 of the civil rights movement 3:17 based upon Dr. King’s I have a dream 3:19 speech, you know, content of character 3:21 versus the um color of skin. 3:26 Bernice points out that four years after 3:29 giving that speech actually um Dr. King 3:33 also said this, “A society that has done 3:36 something special against a negro for 3:38 hundreds of years must now do something 3:40 special for Negroes.” He also said in 3:43 1968, it was about less than a week 3:45 before he was assassinated. This country 3:49 never stops to realize that they owe a 3:52 people kept in slavery for 244 years. So 3:56 rather than class, he did write about 3:58 that earlier on. Right before his death, 4:01 he made the argument for racial equality 4:04 and racial 4:06 reparations. And so 4:07 teaching kids that skin color is their 4:09 identity, he said, is not how you end 4:12 racism, it’s how you keep it alive. And 4:14 right there in the middle of that set, 4:17 things started to shift. Some eyebrows 4:20 raised, some eyes rolled. But the 4:22 conversation was far from over. Because 4:25 the moment you challenge the sacred 4:26 narrative, the one that says race must 4:28 be the focus, you’re not just 4:30 disagreeing, you’re threatening an 4:31 entire world view. By the way, before we 4:34 continue, don’t forget to like this 4:36 video and subscribe to the channel. It 4:38 really helps us grow and share more 4:40 intriguing stories. Now, let’s continue. 4:42 This 4:42 I think is something that the right has 4:45 co-opted. And so many in the black 4:47 community, 4:48 if I’m being honest with you, because I 4:51 want to be, believe that you are being 4:53 used as a pawn by the right and that 4:55 you’re a charlatan of sorts. 4:56 He’s not a Republican. So, how do you 4:58 voted? You You said that you’re a 5:00 conservative. 5:02 No, you did. You actually said that uh 5:04 the podcast that you did two weeks ago. 5:06 I said I was a conservative. Yes, you 5:08 did. 5:09 That’s when things took a sharp turn. 5:11 One of the co-hosts, Sunonny Host, 5:13 didn’t waste a second. She came in 5:16 swinging, not with facts, but with 5:17 accusations. 5:19 She called him a pawn, said he was being 5:21 used by the right, and even questioned 5:23 whether he was a charlatan. The 5:24 atmosphere instantly changed. It was no 5:27 longer a conversation. It was a setup. 5:29 She tried to paint him as a 5:30 conservative, even though he openly said 5:32 he wasn’t. She claimed he was paring 5:35 right-wing talking points, even as 5:37 others on the panel, her own co-host, 5:38 stepped in to clarify that he wasn’t 5:40 even a Republican. But the damage was 5:42 already done. The goal wasn’t to debate 5:44 his ideas. It was to discredit him 5:47 personally. Classic tactic. If you can’t 5:49 beat the argument, attack the person. 5:51 To you, my question to you is, how do 5:54 you respond to those critics? 5:59 First thing that’s very important, the 6:01 quote that you just pointed out about 6:04 doing something special for the Negro. 6:06 That’s from the book Why We Can’t Wait, 6:07 that that I just mentioned. Yes. A 6:09 couple paragraphs later, he lays out 6:11 exactly what that something special was, 6:13 and it was the Bill of Rights for the 6:15 Disadvantaged, a broad class-based pop. 6:18 But he also says, “You must include 6:19 race.” 6:21 No, he didn’t. He says it’s Yes, he 6:22 does. 6:23 Okay. Well, everyone can go. Everyone 6:24 should go read the book Why We Can’t 6:25 Wait. Let’s not get sidetracked. I don’t 6:27 think I’ve been co-opted by anyone. I’ve 6:28 only voted twice, both for Democrats. 6:30 Although, I’m an independent. I would 6:32 vote for a Republican, probably a 6:33 non-Trump Republican if they were 6:35 compelling. Um, I don’t think there’s 6:37 any evidence I’ve been co-opted by 6:38 anyone. And I think that that’s that’s 6:41 an ad homonym tactic people use to not 6:43 address really the important 6:45 conversations we’re having here and it 6:47 would be 6:48 better for everyone if we stuck to the 6:49 topics rather than make it about me. 6:52 But I just I want to give you the 6:54 opportunity to respond to the app the 6:57 criticism. 6:57 I appreciate it. There’s no evidence 6:58 that I’ve been co-opted by anyone. I 7:00 have an independent podcast. 7:02 I work for CNN as an analyst. I write 7:05 for the free press. I’m independent in 7:07 all of these endeavors and no one is 7:09 paying me to say what I’m saying. I’m 7:11 saying it cuz I feel 7:12 What made it more surreal was the way 7:14 she twisted his beliefs. He never said 7:16 racism doesn’t exist. He never said 7:19 history should be ignored. What he said 7:21 was that we can fight inequality more 7:23 effectively by targeting poverty. But 7:26 instead of addressing that idea, Sunny 7:28 went straight for character 7:29 assassination, hoping that labeling him 7:32 would shut the conversation down. at the 7:34 anti-racism movement. There are a couple 7:37 of people I don’t even who know who they 7:39 are. Maybe 7:39 Robin D’Angelo. 7:40 Robin D’Angelo Ibram Kendi for instance. 7:43 Okay. Well, there uh you say that that 7:45 is just a form of another form of racism 7:47 and you even say it has a lot in common 7:48 with white supremacy. 7:50 How can you compare those two things? 7:52 You anti-racism. You’re comparing it to 7:55 white supremacy 7:57 because they they both view your race as 7:59 a a extremely significant part of who 8:02 you are. So, white supremacists, they 8:05 obviously say we all know what they say. 8:07 Okay. Uh, neo-racists like Rob D’Angelo, 8:10 they say that to be white is to be 8:12 ignorant, for example. Well, this is a 8:14 racial stereotype. And I want to call a 8:16 spade a spade and say this is not the 8:17 style of anti-racism we have to be 8:19 teaching our kids. We should be teaching 8:21 them that your race is not a significant 8:24 feature of you, who you are. Who you are 8:25 is your character, your value, and your 8:27 skin color doesn’t say anything about 8:29 that. 8:29 This wasn’t just debate. This was public 8:32 shaming in real time on national TV and 8:35 the audience was watching it unfold like 8:37 a courtroom drama with Sunny playing 8:39 judge, jury, and executioner. But he 8:42 didn’t flinch. And that made it even 8:44 more dangerous for her because when 8:47 someone stays calm under fire, people 8:49 start to listen. And that’s exactly what 8:52 made the next moment so uncomfortable 8:53 for Sunny. 8:55 That’s actually misrepresenting what 8:56 what Robin D’Angelo’s position is. 8:59 It’s in her book. 9:01 So here we go. Here we go. 9:04 Thank you. 9:04 He laid it out in plain terms. If black 9:07 and Hispanic people are 9:08 disproportionately poor, then helping 9:10 poor people as a class will naturally 9:12 help those racial groups. You don’t need 9:13 to sort by skin color. You sort by need. 9:17 And guess what? That method helps 9:19 everyone who’s struggling, including 9:20 poor white families, poor Asian 9:22 families, anyone at the bottom. Now, 9:25 here’s where it got wild. Sunny tried to 9:28 clap back by saying, “Well, there’s a 9:30 huge wealth gap between white and black 9:32 households, but she didn’t realize. She 9:35 had just made his argument for him. If 9:37 black and Hispanic communities are over 9:39 represented among the poor, then any 9:41 policy aimed at helping poor people will 9:43 still disproportionately help them.” She 9:46 backed herself into a corner, then tried 9:48 to act like she just made a brilliant 9:50 point. The audience clapped, but not 9:53 because it made sense. It was just 9:54 reflex clap when Sunny talks. Even if 9:57 the logic doesn’t track, she called his 9:59 argument fundamentally flawed without 10:02 ever explaining why. It was like 10:04 watching someone lose a debate and then 10:06 just say, “You’re wrong.” Louder and 10:08 louder, hoping nobody notices they’ve 10:10 got nothing left. But the viewers 10:12 noticed and more importantly, the panel 10:14 started noticing, too. A few of them 10:17 stopped backing Sunny’s attack because 10:19 whether they agreed with him or not, 10:21 they knew what just happened. She had 10:23 walked right into his logic and lost. 10:26 Then came the moment where Coleman 10:28 flipped the entire conversation with one 10:30 quiet reference. Martin Luther King Jr. 10:34 He didn’t just throw out MLK’s name for 10:36 show. He cited King’s own words 10:38 specifically from the book Why We Can’t 10:41 Wait. In it, King calls for a bill of 10:43 rights for the Disadvantaged. Not a 10:45 race-based handout, a class-based 10:48 solution. Help the poor because they are 10:50 poor, King said. and you’ll help the 10:52 black community by default because they 10:54 are over represented among the poor. It 10:56 was clear, direct, and backed by 10:59 history. But Sunny wasn’t having it. She 11:01 pushed back hard, claiming MLK wanted 11:04 race-based reparations, quoting a speech 11:06 from just before his death. “You must 11:09 include race,” she insisted. But what 11:12 she left out, and what Coleman calmly 11:14 reminded her, was that even in that same 11:16 book, King spelled out what he meant by 11:18 something special. It wasn’t cash 11:21 payouts based on skin color. It was 11:24 policy that lifts the disadvantaged 11:26 regardless of race. You could feel the 11:28 tension rise. Sunny tried to twist 11:31 King’s legacy to support her view. But 11:33 Coleman came with receipts, paragraphs, 11:36 page numbers. He didn’t need to shout. 11:39 He just knew what he was talking about. 11:41 The panel started shifting again. The 11:43 more Sunny tried to argue, the more 11:45 obvious it became she wasn’t debating 11:47 the facts. She was clinging to a 11:49 narrative. And the deeper she went, the 11:51 more people started to question if that 11:53 narrative actually made any sense 11:55 anymore. Now, here’s where it got 11:57 downright awkward. While Sunny kept 11:59 insisting that race should be the center 12:01 of everything, people started noticing 12:04 something off. She was passionately 12:07 rejecting class-based politics while 12:09 sitting there in a Gucci button-down and 12:11 beltworth more than what some people 12:12 make in a week. That detail didn’t go 12:14 unnoticed. In fact, it became a 12:17 punchline across the internet. How can 12:20 you preach about racial struggle and 12:21 fairness while draped in designer labels 12:24 rejecting the exact policies that would 12:26 help all poor people regardless of 12:28 color? And then to make things even more 12:31 ironic, progressive voices, the ones 12:33 you’d expect to back Sunny started 12:35 siding with Coleman loudly. People like 12:38 Anna from the Young Turks came out and 12:40 said, “Look, I don’t agree with Coleman 12:42 on everything, but the man makes 12:44 thoughtful, well-reasoned arguments.” 12:46 She even admitted that his analysis 12:48 challenges her own views sometimes. 12:50 That’s huge coming from someone firmly 12:52 planted on the left. So now the whole 12:55 he’s a right-wing pawn angle, it 12:57 crumbled. If the most liberal 12:59 anti-conservative commentators are 13:01 defending this guy, how can he possibly 13:03 be a puppet for the right? What Sunny 13:06 didn’t realize is that this wasn’t just 13:08 a debate about policy. It was a moment 13:10 where her own credibility started to 13:12 fall apart. She came in thinking she 13:14 could frame Coleman as the outsider. the 13:16 traitor, the sellout. But it was clear 13:18 now she was the one out of step and 13:20 everyone was starting to see it. And at 13:22 that point, even the other women on the 13:24 View had to step in. They weren’t 13:26 jumping to agree with Coleman on every 13:28 point, but they were noticing the way 13:30 Sunny kept dodging his actual argument. 13:33 Every time he spoke about policy, she 13:35 shot back with personal attacks. So, 13:37 finally, they gave him space to talk. 13:40 Not because they agreed, because they 13:41 could see he wasn’t even being allowed 13:43 to finish a sentence. And when he 13:45 finally did, he didn’t defend himself 13:47 with emotion. He didn’t swing back. He 13:50 just laid it out clearly. He’s not a 13:52 Republican, never voted for one, and he 13:54 doesn’t take money from anyone. He runs 13:56 an independent podcast, works as a CNN 13:59 analyst, and writes for an independent 14:01 outlet. That’s it. No donors, no 14:04 political party whispering in his ear. 14:06 Sunny’s entire attack, this whole idea 14:08 that he’s a pawn of the right, collapsed 14:10 right there on the table. Then just when 14:13 it looked like Sunny might try to pivot, 14:15 she dropped one more name. Martin Luther 14:17 King Jr.’s daughter. She said she knew 14:19 her personally. Like that was supposed 14:22 to end the discussion, but it didn’t 14:24 land. It sounded like a desperate flex, 14:26 as if knowing someone famous somehow 14:28 proved her point. The audience could 14:31 feel it. Coleman had shown up with 14:33 facts, logic, and quotes. Sunny had 14:36 shown up with labels and name drops. And 14:39 by now, it wasn’t hard to tell which one 14:41 actually understood the issue. But Sunny 14:44 wasn’t done yet. Still trying to win the 14:46 moment, she brought up another MLK, 14:48 quote, “This time from just before his 14:50 death, saying the country owed something 14:52 special to black Americans because of 14:54 slavery.” Her argument that this proved 14:57 King did support race-based policies. 15:00 But Coleman had already addressed that 15:02 earlier. He reminded Herand, everyone 15:04 watching that King defined that 15:06 something special as the Bill of Rights 15:09 for the disadvantaged, which was 15:11 explicitly class-based. Sunny tried to 15:13 twist that quote to fit her narrative, 15:15 but the context didn’t back her up. And 15:18 now, she was starting to look like 15:19 someone who was cherry-picking lines 15:21 while ignoring the full message. 15:23 Meanwhile, Coleman never moved off 15:25 course. He stuck to what King wrote, not 15:28 just what he said in a sound bite. And 15:30 the irony, the exact strategy Sunny was 15:33 pushing, focusing everything on race, 15:35 was eerily similar to how white 15:37 supremacists view the world. Coleman 15:40 didn’t say that lightly. He explained 15:42 that if both racists and so-called 15:44 anti-racists are obsessing over skin 15:46 color, they’re using the same framework, 15:48 just in reverse. One group says race 15:51 makes you inferior. The other says race 15:54 makes you owed something, but both 15:56 refuse to look beyond the color of your 15:58 skin. That was the real mic drop because 16:01 in trying so hard to make race the only 16:03 issue, Sunny was proving his point for 16:05 him over and over again. And the more 16:07 she argued, the more obvious it became. 16:10 At this point, Coleman had already won 16:12 over a good chunk of the room. But he 16:14 wasn’t done. He leaned into the heart of 16:17 his argument. You don’t need race-based 16:19 policies to achieve racial progress. If 16:22 you help the class that’s struggling the 16:23 most, which happens to include many 16:25 black and Hispanic communities, then 16:27 you’re solving two problems at once. 16:30 Poverty and racial disparity. It’s 16:32 practical. It’s fair. And most 16:35 importantly, it doesn’t exclude anyone 16:37 based on their skin color. He even said 16:39 it straight up. If your real goal is to 16:42 lift black and brown people out of 16:44 poverty, then help all poor people. Race 16:47 doesn’t need to be part of the equation 16:49 because it will be addressed 16:50 automatically by focusing on the class 16:51 where inequality lives. But here’s what 16:54 made it sting wasn’t saying this to play 16:56 it safe or avoid controversy. He was 16:58 saying it because to him it was common 17:01 sense. And the fact that Sunny kept 17:03 rejecting it even after making arguments 17:05 that supported it just made her look 17:08 worse. She wasn’t even disagreeing with 17:10 his logic. She was just mad that it 17:12 didn’t center race in the way she 17:14 wanted. By now, it wasn’t even a debate 17:17 anymore. It was a slow unraveling of a 17:19 mainstream idea right there, live on TV. 17:22 And Coleman was doing it with nothing 17:24 more than calm words and bulletproof 17:26 reasoning. But Sunny had one last card 17:29 to play, and it was desperation at its 17:31 finest. She doubled down on accusing 17:33 Coleman of being co-opted by the right. 17:36 You could see the frustration building. 17:38 She had lost control of the narrative, 17:40 and now she was falling back on the 17:42 oldest trick in the book. If you can’t 17:44 beat the message, attack the messenger. 17:46 She called him a pawn, a sellout, even 17:49 questioned his intentions. But he didn’t 17:51 flinch. He calmly replied, “I’ve only 17:54 voted twice both times for Democrats. 17:56 I’m an independent. No one’s paying me 17:59 to say what I say.” And you could feel 18:01 it. The audience knew she had nothing 18:03 left. The other co-hosts started backing 18:06 off. One of them reminded the table that 18:08 Coleman’s work is respected even by 18:10 liberal voices. He writes for 18:12 independent outlets, works with major 18:14 networks, and is known for not falling 18:16 in line with any political side. Even 18:18 some of the most left-leaning 18:20 commentators online had already vouched 18:22 for him. People who disagree with him on 18:24 real political issues still admitted 18:26 that he debates in good faith. Sunny had 18:28 tried to throw mud on his name, but none 18:30 of it stuck because instead of 18:32 unraveling under pressure, Coleman stood 18:35 even taller. His point had been simple 18:38 from the start. fix the root problem, 18:40 poverty, and you help everyone. Race 18:42 doesn’t have to be weaponized to do 18:44 good. But if you insist on making race 18:46 everything, then you’re not solving 18:48 inequality, you’re just flipping it. And 18:51 then came the part that left no doubt 18:53 about what this whole showdown was 18:54 really about. Holman turned his focus to 18:57 the anti-racism movement, the one that’s 18:59 been pushed heavily in recent years by 19:01 authors like Robin D’Angelo and Ibram 19:03 Kendi. the movement that claims to fight 19:05 racism by constantly centering 19:07 everything around race. But here’s what 19:09 he said. This version of anti-racism is 19:12 just racism wearing new clothes. He 19:14 pointed out the uncomfortable truth. 19:16 Both white supremacists and today’s 19:18 anti-racists believe race is the most 19:21 important thing about a person. One 19:23 group says white people are superior. 19:25 The other says being white makes you 19:27 guilty, privileged, or ignorant by 19:29 default. Either way, it’s a racial 19:31 stereotype. Either way, you’re judging 19:34 people by skin color. And Coleman wasn’t 19:37 afraid to say it out loud. That’s still 19:39 racism. Then he quoted directly from 19:42 D’Angelo’s own book. To be white is to 19:45 be ignorant. That’s not equality. That’s 19:48 not justice. That’s a racial smear. And 19:51 it’s being taught to kids under the 19:52 label of progress. He didn’t make it up. 19:56 It’s right there in print. But the 19:58 moment you criticize it, people like 20:00 Sunny call you a traitor. And here’s 20:02 what made the audience sit up. Coleman 20:04 wasn’t ranting. He was warning. This 20:08 movement, he said, is repeating the same 20:10 logic used by racists in the past, just 20:13 in a reverse direction. And if we don’t 20:16 see that, we’re not moving forward. 20:18 We’re going in circles. At this point, 20:20 the tension on set was thick enough to 20:22 slice through. Even Whoopi Goldberg, who 20:25 rarely hides her emotions, looked 20:26 visibly fed up with how Sunny kept 20:28 doubling down. You could see it in her 20:31 face, the eye rolls, the heavy size. She 20:34 wasn’t siding with Coleman, but it was 20:36 clear she was done with the nonsense. 20:38 Done with Sunny’s long- winded detours, 20:41 the personal digs, the refusal to 20:43 actually engage with the core argument. 20:45 And then Coleman dropped one last truth 20:47 bomb that sealed the entire discussion. 20:49 He reminded everyone of the core message 20:51 of Martin Luther King’s I have a dream 20:54 speech, that people should be judged by 20:56 the content of their character, not the 20:58 color of their skin. That wasn’t just a 21:00 poetic moment. It was the entire 21:02 foundation of the civil rights movement. 21:04 And somehow the same people who praise 21:06 King now want to tear down that message 21:08 in the name of justice. He explained 21:11 that anti-racism today has stopped being 21:13 about equality and has turned into a new 21:16 form of discrimination, a philosophy 21:18 that teaches people to see skin color 21:20 first and everything else second. 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